What is the difference between monty roberts and parelli

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Equitation Science. However Monty is Monty and what is missing from that system is a systematised way of teaching and coaching. Parelli provides that in a way that leads the novice horse owner through the various levels and attempts to formalise the teaching of "horse behaviour". You really have to strip away all the American style marketing and understand that here is a cultural difference between the way that things are presented for the US market versus our UK culture.

For example - one of my horses is, and always has been, quite resistant to loading. Apart from walking away with an expensive Dually halter I had no real skills taught other than "pull on the Dually until he moves forward and then release". In the Parelli system Alison Jones had him walking into, and backing out of the trailer in about 20 minutes. No force, no coercion. Instead a combination of 4 of the 7 games and he was doing it willingly - in fact eagerly showing off what he had learned.

Unfortunately he walks into any trailer that is open now, and up any ramp, to show what he can do. But the really important thing was that I had been taught the nescessary games in the previous 3 hours, and I could then load and unload my horse myself, and guauge his level of hapiness at the whole experience.

Parelli - learn to ignore the marketing - get really high quality instruction, and a systematised series of lessons that build your skills. Don't describe myself as a "Parelli person" - hate the marketing - but on the whole it works for my horses. Joined 13 July Messages 67 Location Dorset. If horsemanship is about understanding the horse and using tools and skills to communicate in a manner which is not about force, putting the horse first, then it is termed "natural".

If horsemanship is about being the boss and the horse has a job to do whether he's feeling a bit under the weather or is unhappy about something than it isn't. The horseman can have either attitude, whether they own Parelli equipment or have a tack room of traditional gadgets.

Divide the cost of a Parelli DVD by the cost of a lesson with an instructor, work out how many lessons are in that Parelli DVD and how long it will be with you to get the true value. It's your attitude your horse cares about. Joined 4 June Messages 3, Location merseyside. Many thanks for the positive answers. The reason I ask is that I have a just turned 4 year old that is very opinionated and spooky. I have had problems with him just before Christmas and have turned him away again.

Everyone says sell him but I really don't want to. I thought about doing some kind of Natural Horsemanship training with him through the Winter to try and help us both and hopefully desensitize him. Do you think it would help him?

Tinypony Well-Known Member 8 May Joined 31 December Messages 5, In fact, I don't think Kelly likes to be lumped in with natural horsemanship. For what it's worth, I spent a lot of time studying Parelli, and don't do it any more because I didn't like some aspects of it, and the only time I saw Kelly do a demo I hated it. There are a lot of good trainers in the UK, and a lot of others visiting over the summer who may be worth watching.

Where are you? We may be able to recommend someone. A good trainer will be able to help you and your horse, and they may or may not have some "nh" background. Shay Well-Known Member 8 May Joined 17 August Messages 7, Toffee44 has hit it right on the nail as has stormybracken. It is about your attitude and the attitude of your trainer. Whether this is "natrual" or not is really just about your approach. Until you get to Parelli when it is really about how much money they can make you spend.

I think your idea about getting someone to help is a good one. Whether they have the Parelli badge or something else is less important than how you and your horse get on with them. Ask around locally and see who is well regarded in your area.

Monty himself always says that he is continually striving to better understand the horse and improve his methods. I would much rather follow someone like him than criticise without putting forward any alternative! I would be curious to see a video of this car thing… based on the photo provided that horse is exhibiting very different body language in my opinion then the kind of body language exhibited by a horse working in a round pen with a human.

It is true that a horse will tend to turn and face something that is scary looking… which is what it looks like it is doing with this car. Whereas in the round pen the horse tends to have very calm body language when it choose to come in, and it exhibits other signs as well, ear locking, licking and chewing… signs that horses show to one another within the herd… not to a predator.

I like the research above, but I also like the more humane techniques of Roberts and the like. It really depends on the horse though, for what methods to use.

They both greet me at the gate when they see I have their halters. Licking and chewing is not a sign anxiety at all. A horse will chew when relaxed. You can make a horse relax by making him chew. This whole article was a waste of time an money on research. I can remember meeting a stallion called Callen who was in a stall at Flemington. Callen also surprised the stable foreman and strapper when he came straight up to me and was quite happy to be patted.

This is one of the stupidest articles I have ever read. These are critics? Monty Roberts is an amazing trainer and I have used his methods on multiple horses and have seen nothing but positive results. This article is from a bunch of haters.

What a load of rubbish! Learning comes through choices in life which either lead to comfort or discomfort. That car appears to be cornering that horse and it is very close. We are only scraping the surface of horse-human communication and we will stay there unless we can open ourselves up to ALL flaws in horsemanship. As a side note, Roberts himself repeating enforces the idea that each individual needs to keep questioning his practices with horses and needs to continuously ask questions and learn.

Open minds people! That is how any problem, big or small, gets solved. The female horse in a herd would chase the foals and by doing this she was forcing them out of the herd. If when she stopped chasing them, the foal came to her, the foal was let back into the herd because he became submissive to her. Monty Roberts method has almost the same approach that horses use with each other. Seems like they have totally missed the point.

I suppose the method can be mis understood and maybe abused by some — like all things — but there is no doubt that a correctly executed join up has helped people and their horses form better and safer relationships.

It shows most likely that movement is the principal ingredient of body language, not eye contact or gestures. The horse responded. As you would expect. It proves join up is an integral part of equine psychology. As if that has not been proved by Monty Roberts and hundreds of his students. The conclusions seem wildly off the mark and irrelevant to the research. This research was obviously an attempt to discredit, not a scientific experiment conducted in a neutral mind.

As many posts have mentioned, this is nothing but negative criticism and no alternative is proposed. The horse is a flight animal, and after join up it is not so prone to panic, making it safer to train.

Instead of everyone instantly criticising, read the full paper. There is also paper in the proceedings referring to the radio control car as a herd leader by the same author paper 92 , examining positive and negative reinforcement. The papers are validating the credibility of trainers say are the the benefits of practised methods.

That is, the trainers have proposed a hypothesis; the equine behavioural psychologists are testing the hypothesis. In science, one must propose a hypothesis and then test it.